Curse

arcady · Oct 22, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

I've had Wammo full party wipes before in PUGs that I rebirthed and then went on to win the mission in. It happens quite a lot actually... Most of the toons trying to to get into PUGs are Wammos. Average PUG I join is anywhere from half Wa/Mo to all but me as Wa/Mo... Typically, half of them refuse to listen to calls to slow down or to go left rather than right until they wipe at least twice...

Sometimes letting them wipe is letting a bad child 'get it out of their system...'

You have to just step back and let them stew in their bad tactics before they are willing to listen to the members of the team who want to make a plan... And I'm not saying that is always me. Playing a monk I play it more thought out, but often in PUGs it is not me but someone else trying to reign in the Wammos - I just become the pivot-point when the initial refusal of a Wammo to restrain itself results in a wipe (I've had people tell me to not rez the Wammo yet... or to lay off prot-ing the wammo and let him go down...

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Which is a long way of saying, you can wipe, rebirth, and still succeed. I've even pulled it off with the bulk of the group in the 30-60% DP range... I enjoy PUGs just to go for the ride, so I'll sit out bad tactics and stay in there until everyone else quits.

Keekles · Oct 22, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

If I do PuG now a days, I bring unyielding aura. That way, I can have more control over the idiots in the PuG.

Pick Me · Oct 22, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Unyielding Aura seems to be a waste of an elite. I always have a rez, that way, I know if I run away, it means, 1) the group should flee the fray and regroup. 2) I can rez the group in a near party wipe and we can continue on from there.

Monks should carry a rez, because we are supposed to be in the back lines healing or protecting. Thus, we should not be in the fray fighting/smiting. If the warriors, Assassins, and Dervishes go down, who will protect our lovely squishie bodies? Meleemancers? Paragons? Rangers? Mesmers? Earth Armored Eles? Sorry, but I wouldn't trust anyone else to go ahead and rez people (ie: Warriors, Rangers, Necros, etc.).

Spazzer · Oct 22, 2007, 06:41 PM // 18:41

If you're not using your secondary, you should be carrying Death Pact Signet. Monks rarely need to use their secondary, and so I always carry a res in PvE.

Tarzanboy · Oct 22, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by unknown1

just bring unyeilding aura =) that will show them! lol switch out ur elite after you ping =)

Free the Wammo to do what they do best while saving your elite; haul along [skill]Vengeance[/skill].

Cheers,
TB

Age · Oct 22, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Tarzanboy

Monks should be the last resort when it comes to resurrections in PvE, but with a PUG, yes you should.

Never underestimate the gravitational pull of the wammo wearing 3 sup runes, using Frenzy and wearing some uninscribed non-max armor.

Cheers,
TB

I wouldn't be concerned about the warriors or even rangers and even assassins.I would be more concerned about Monks,Necromancers.Elementalists and Ritualists the only castor that doesn't use a superior runes is a Mesmer and Paragons don't.dervishes don't use them that much either.This is if you looked at the rune trader lately and I always carry ribirth for the bone dry who thinks it is our jop or if the mission goes south.Yes Monks can get the blame if in fact it was their fault either due to a bad skill bar or or to low of health or just not kiting.

PvE is unpredictable unlike say a gvg match or ha.

«Ripskin · Oct 23, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

I remember once in a team on precipice I was being a healer. And this wammo was trying to convince me that he was helping healing (He spammed HH, orison, dwaynas kiss, and healing breeze)

ender6 · Oct 23, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Age

PvE is unpredictable unlike say a gvg match or ha.

Actually I'd have to say PvE is quite predictable even within the context of your remarks.

Within PuGs you can usually count on the following:

-The vast majority of players are squishy (mininum 1 sup rune).
-Warriors will bring HB or Mending (often both).
-Rangers will tell you troll is better than Whirling Defense (If troll is saving you and the monk can't --wow, why the hell did you bring the monk).
-Aggro is a concept that parallels quantum mechanics.
-Kiting is just a nostalgic activity -- usually performed on windy days.
-And of coures, the mantra of all PuGs when something goes wrong: Blame the Monk.

That's why PS is my friend. As for a rez, yeah i suppose i can make room for Rebirth, to clean up after your sloppy mistakes.

SuperDave · Oct 23, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

I always bring Rebirth in PvE PUGS. I can see trouble coming from a mile away, and playing in the back line have the advantage of being able to run when it hits the fan. I've saved many a sad PUG with good ole Rebirth

Swift Thief · Oct 23, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I never take rez anymore. It's just not worth it as a slot. If a team wipes like that and no one else has rezzes, then chances are the team will fail the mission anyways even if you rebirth all of them. Better to save time and find a new group/H&H.

What if people started dying because of lag or an accidental pull? One person can escape and run, then come back to res everyone, and finish.

siemptala · Oct 23, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

I tend to, as my usual farm is tombs, and many rangers think it's the monk's job, as they're only there for damage...

Age · Oct 23, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by ender6

Actually I'd have to say PvE is quite predictable even within the context of your remarks.

Within PuGs you can usually count on the following:

-The vast majority of players are squishy (mininum 1 sup rune).
-Warriors will bring HB or Mending (often both).
-Rangers will tell you troll is better than Whirling Defense (If troll is saving you and the monk can't --wow, why the hell did you bring the monk).
-Aggro is a concept that parallels quantum mechanics.
-Kiting is just a nostalgic activity -- usually performed on windy days.
-And of coures, the mantra of all PuGs when something goes wrong: Blame the Monk.

That's why PS is my friend. As for a rez, yeah i suppose i can make room for Rebirth, to clean up after your sloppy mistakes.

For the most part what I posted is true and and my sloppy mistakes I don't think so maybe yours and it is unpredictable as you don't know jack between jill in the group.I would say this is that if anything the warrior uses as bad it is endure pain not mending or breeze.I haven't even been seeing the use of that in some time as for rangers not using whirling for troll that is different story.

During Unwaking water mission most of the group went down except me and one Monk.I was playing my Warrior and told the Monk to get back but they went and ressed anyway.I was the group leader and directly told that Monk to get back as I will res the fallen but he/she disobeyed me and went died by Kunaavig (sp).I ressed the Monk and said get back again he/she was going to do anther res untill the Dragon starting hitting them then they backed off so i ressed the entire group we then went off to beat the mission and btw I was the only Monk who didn't go down in The gates of Madness mission.

I am pointing out that more castors are wearing sup. runes not melee types .

elektra_lucia · Oct 23, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

You are bad at the game Age. Normally I wouldn't directly flame but you have done so by saying 'you don't know jack between jill in the group'. Mending or breeze can be stripped and cause damage. Don't get me wrong, endure pain, mending and breeze are all bad. Endure is probably the least bad out of the three.
While you're ressing you can't be healing. Taking a res on monk PVE or PVP is just ignorant in my opinion.

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I am pointing out that more castors are wearing sup. runes not melee types .

What runes you use on your monk?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0203077&page=3
Nice to see you fail at PVE as well as PVP .

azzer20 · Oct 23, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

i don't bring a res on normal mode but i do have rbirth in hard mode, normal mode is so easy that if a guy dies it's either A.bad monking or B.bad player tendency,

But any other characters should bring at least a res sig

Age · Oct 23, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

You are bad at the game Age. Normally I wouldn't directly flame but you have done so by saying 'you don't know jack between jill in the group'.

Mending or breeze can be stripped and cause damage. Don't get me wrong, endure pain, mending and breeze are all bad. Endure is probably the least bad out of the three.

While you're ressing you can't be healing. Taking a res on monk PVE or PVP is just ignorant in my opinion.

What runes you use on your monk?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0203077&page=3

Nice to see you fail at PVE as well as PVP

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You didn't read my post right did you maybe read it when you are sober as it is in the late hours where you are.

elektra_lucia · Oct 23, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

You didn't answer my question, so I figure you didn't read mine right either. What runes do you use on your monk?

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this is that if anything the warrior uses as bad it is endure pain not mending or breeze

Maybe if you spoke English people could understand.

P.S. I rarely drink.

Age · Oct 23, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

You didn't answer my question, so I figure you didn't read mine right either. What runes do you use on your monk?

Maybe if you spoke English people could understand.

P.S. I rarely drink.

I only use minors on my Monk when group Monking never Sup.s or Majors and it has been over 20 years since I have been in an English class and this isn't class.I can say aint and get away with it.

JoeKnowMo · Oct 23, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Although it is less efficient for a monk to carry a rez (i.e., you have to give up a solid prot/heal/utility skill for it), it's very likely that no one else will bring rez.

Nothing worse than being the last one standing in your pug and not having a rez.

elektra_lucia · Oct 23, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

English isn't my mother tongue either, I wasn't talking about 'ain't' Your English is just generally shocking, you should not criticize one for reading something incorrectly when you can't write correctly.

Bringing a monk in PVE is bad.

20 years and the only English you learnt was while in class? That's funny, look around the internet. English is EVERYWHERE and you arn't bright enough to learn any, so please before you comment - shut your mouth. You are bad at the game.

KTHX.

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Nothing worse than being the last one standing in your pug and not having a rez.

If you're such a bad monk in PVE that all your team dies, you should resign already.

Tarzanboy · Oct 24, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by siemptala

I tend to, as my usual farm is tombs, and many rangers think it's the monk's job, as they're only there for damage...

Rangers are usually a dime a dozen for Tombs. If the party wants to devote themselves to solely do damage, oblige them by packing [skill]Vengeance[/skill].

I believe that monks should carry a resurrection skill in PvE, with the caveat that it is not solely the monk's responsibility to resurrect.

1. There should be a res check prior to starting any mission to find out if who has res and who does not.
2. A monk should not be responsible for res during any combat.
3. A monk equipped with rebirth should not be responsible for resurrection if there is anyone else with a hard res available, unless it is a case where the person being ressed is in a position where they or the person performing the res, will immediately die, using any of the other resurrection skills.

Cheers,
TB